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RE: 1080 TI - new best bang for buck? - Flomac - 03-03-2017
Ok, in that case, you're right. Although the system still has a value.
Anyway, maybe people here learned something by our wild maths
RE: 1080 TI - new best bang for buck? - ati6990 - 03-09-2017
I cant see dudes who bought the new 1080ti to Show US some cool benches... Btw the founders Version dont use much MHz .. the First custom Designs will Push hashcracking on a new Level..
RE: 1080 TI - new best bang for buck? - Flomac - 03-09-2017
You can overclock the Founders Edition up to 2000MHz. Even under stress the cooling system won't be on the edge. But the power target will limit its performance. If custom designs are not going to twist with it, there will be no difference. For 700 bucks this card is a no-brainer.
RE: 1080 TI - new best bang for buck? - kiara - 03-10-2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34ZkAF9q9w
the TI should be better no?
or equal to titan xp
RE: 1080 TI - new best bang for buck? - Flomac - 03-10-2017
(03-10-2017, 01:12 AM)kiara Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34ZkAF9q9w
the TI should be better no?
or equal to titan xp
And it does not? Because it does to me, even in that video. And I'm not very impressed with that 'test' since it seems shallow to me. They only did a few 4K-tests with games. They don't even specify the amount of energy the card itself is drawing, which is important and crucial, if you build cracking systems. We don't care how much some system with this card draws in some game. We need the average and the maximum of the card itself under the most stress you could throw at it.
And for a video it's very unvisual. A guy is talking and some slides are been shown. That's pretty much a written review filmed for Youtube.
Here's something that I'd suggest: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti,4972.html
Or Anandtech, though they don't compare it witht the X, but they do some compute stuff: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11180/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review
RE: 1080 TI - new best bang for buck? - kiara - 03-10-2017
(03-10-2017, 02:20 PM)Flomac Wrote:(03-10-2017, 01:12 AM)kiara Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34ZkAF9q9w
the TI should be better no?
or equal to titan xp
i was talking about performance , not performance /$
my question was
which one as better performance (hash cracking rate) the titan xp or the TI
RE: 1080 TI - new best bang for buck? - Flomac - 03-10-2017
They have the same processor, same amount of shaders, similar clock speeds and equal cooling systems. So it will be pretty much the same range, if not the Ti has some advantages through slightly higher clock speeds. But for Hashcat it will be only a few percent difference, if so.
RE: 1080 TI - new best bang for buck? - r9290xocl - 03-10-2017
Its nice and all to put a hash/$ figure... BUT
Would you consider something "best bang for the buck" even if it takes twice as long for example? or consumes 30% more power? just some examples.
imo a best bang for the buck should also consider other factors like temps, power consumption, time it takes to crack, reliability, and so on.
RE: 1080 TI - new best bang for buck? - r9290xocl - 03-10-2017
(03-10-2017, 04:10 PM)kiara Wrote:(03-10-2017, 02:20 PM)Flomac Wrote:(03-10-2017, 01:12 AM)kiara Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34ZkAF9q9w
the TI should be better no?
or equal to titan xp
i was talking about performance , not performance /$
my question was
which one as better performance (hash cracking rate) the titan xp or the TI
I would not be surprised that the 1080ti would be faster than the TitanX. If gaming performance is any indicator, the 1080Ti is faster than the Titan, but not by much. There will be absolutely 0 gain to get a Titan X vs a 1080Ti
RE: 1080 TI - new best bang for buck? - Flomac - 03-11-2017
(03-10-2017, 10:57 PM)r9290xocl Wrote: imo a best bang for the buck should also consider other factors like temps, power consumption, time it takes to crack, reliability, and so on.
Temps of the GPU do not matter. If the system is stable and you don't care about the noise, turn the fans up and everything is fine. If you have a Founders Edition and 3 years warranty you simply cannot overstress it, since the power limit is setting the right limits.
Power consumption is always an important point and correlates with the amount of heat produced by one card. The latter may only matter in bigger environments like server rooms, but energy can be a serious factor in 24/7 hash cracking. In Germany a rig with 4x GTX1080 Ti and an efficient PSU easily consumes 5 to 6 bucks a day.
With NVidia, every new generation uses less power for the same performance as the old one. An old GTX980Ti e.g. is slower than a GTX 1080, but uses 40% more power. So new is always better in energy terms. And since the performance of a GPU generation scales very good under hashcat. 30% more performance result in 30% more energy used.
A big difference in systems can be the PSU, so if you plan to heavily crack hashes 24/7 you better invest in a Titanium or Platinum PSU instead of a Gold standard (and don't even think below that anyway). The higher price will be drawn in over time, even at only two percent difference in efficiency.
Reliability depends on many factors, but along with NVidia the reference cards respectively Founders Editions are pretty much in the same ballpark. One might have better experience with a special manufacturer, but from my experience the more important question is: how fast and uncomplicated do they change a broken card?
The time to crack can be crucial for some if you have limited time sets to be played. E.g. checking passwords in an ISO27001 audit usually defines a certain amount of time, like 24h, where the quota of cracked password specifies the quality of the staffs password creating ability. The more cracked the better.