NVidia RTX 2080
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Nikos,

although it might be a waste of time to throw more time on this discussion with you, let's just correct some things one and for all.

(09-25-2018, 07:11 AM)Nikos Wrote: The benchmarks that you posted show a smaller difference between Turing and Pascal than Pascal and Maxwell, ...
Yes, sure. Anything else would be strange, since Pascal to Turing has been a "normal" step from 16nm to 12nm, where Maxwell to Pascal was an exeptional big step from 28nm to 16nm. Quantesized, 16 to 12nm refers to factor 1 and 28 to 16nm refers to ~1,8.
(the usual steps are 28nm -> 20nm -> 14nm -> 10nm -> 7nm).


Quote:...for a lot bigger price.
Yep. As you stated correctly earlier, there are too many GTX 10xx out there that still need to be sold.

Quote:If this isn't the definition of failure, then what is it ?
Nothing. It's normal business. CPUs tend be be extremly expensive at high end, even double price for a mere +20%. Take a look at the server world where it's even more absurd. No one cries about it.

A failure would be no one buying new cards like it happened to AMD a few times in the past when they came out with new cards and make big losses.

Since NVidia still is well ahead of AMD in Games (and now even features) there is no failure in sight.

Btw. AMD did also a step from 28nm to even 14nm. The result? Disappointing. THAT you could call a failure.

Quote:Also, in the context of Hashcat I'm waiting from you or any other to show me whch new instructions could be leveraged in order to be faster in cracking.
There are more than 50 new instructions in Turing. Some might be useful for hashcat, some not. (More: CUDA 10 Instruction Set Reference)

Some existing instructions made a big step in latency, e.g. IMAD now needs 5 cycles instead of 84 (cause it had been emulated before). Lots of instructions have now shorter cycles. (More: Dissecting the NVIDIA Volta GPU Architecture )

And again: tune down your arrogance. No one has to show you anything.

Quote:And please tell me which part of your analysis of Turing cards was accurate after seeing real world performance.
I stated the RTX2080 to be 45 - 55% faster in MD5, and it did ~50%. Spot on I'd say.
The values I posted where too high since I obviously took base hashes of overclocked GTX-cards. May bad. I'll promise to be more accurate next time.

Quote:I don't think Vega is the perfect chip, but since there is no other GPU to compete with nVidia cards I would like to see a comparison between those three:
Pascal vs Vega vs Turing.
Me too, but I'd need a clean  benchmark of VEGA, non-overclocked (!), with hashcat 4.2.1 - if you can deliver it, you're welcome to post it in here.

Quote:I'm not interested at all in selling ANYTHING, not just AMD cards.
Good. Noted.

Quote:But you on the contrary, seem too much sentimentally involved with nVidia cards.
Oh no, I was just excited about their new GPU generation. I once was similar excited about the Radeon Fury (Fiji), but epixoid was right that time they'd mess it up as they surely did.

Quote:AMD can't compete nVidia right now, but that doesn't mean that we have to buy every new nVidia card just because it's nVidia.
Everyone is free to buy whatever they want. Usually people want the best card for their money. And for hashcat, that's mostly NVidia right now.

Quote:We don't have to buy anything actually.

We can keep our money in the pocket and just wait you know.
You're missing out all the people that actually do need to buy something, because they're not some script kiddies fiddeling around at home with some hashes they found on the net or their neigbours wifi-router, but earning serious money with it. They might be very annoyed if they decide for a GTX1080Ti, cause it looks cheaper on the paper, only to find out that a RTX 2080 is way faster at the hashes they're working with.


May I remind you that it was you who stated "for hashcat like games, the new architecture is going to be slower" or "Turing is a lot slower regarding price to performance ratio."
Do the math and you'll see: It depends on what you're planning to do with it.

With no proof or arguments you were bullshitting and confusing everyone. Grow up man.


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NVidia RTX 2080 - by Flomac - 08-17-2018, 10:04 PM
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