Laptop choices
#1
Hi everyone!

I'm thinking of these laptop options... as cheap ones but with amd graphics... what would you say?

Of course that hashcat performance is of interest, but the first two are really low in price, and I cannot figure out HOW MUCH difference in performance there will be, because obviously prefer to spend the little as possible to save for beer, although not the super better ultra megahashes.


1) RADEON R5:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/toshiba-sate...Id=8790174

2) RADEON R4:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-15-6-...Id=1576208

3) RADEON R5:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiro...Id=9463444

4) AMD Radeon HD 8650G:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-envy-touc...Id=5342009

5) RADEON R7:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-envy-touc...Id=8825037

6) RADEON R6:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiro...Id=9463453

Thanks!!
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#2
You're facing two problems here. First a notebook is not made for high performance tasks like hashcat. If they are not especially made for gaming stuff they will usually tend to overheat. Second those "graphic cards" are AMD APUs, so the graphics unit is build into the CPU. That does not guarantee the highest performance like a dedicated GPU. I have a Kaveri A10-7850 desktop system which I use from time to time with oclhashcat. I delivers 1900 MH/s in MD5, check out the performance table on oclhashcat, that's not too shabby but then it's also not very much compared to dedicated GPUs. And it's a) overclocked, b) a smoothly cooled desktop system and c) a Kaveri A10. All your notebooks above will only deliver a fraction of its performance. And that's really poor.

So if you really want to do hashcat with a laptop, you should go with a dedicated GPU und the thing should have a sufficient cooling system. But that's the problem, cause you won't know it until you've tried it out and no hasrdware test stresses notebooks like hashcat does. So if you read in a review a notebook is already getting warm and/or noisy, it'll not be your favorite.

That said, this is no easy call to decide. I would not buy any of those above if oclhashcat should be one application target.
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#3
Mobile GPUs typically do not show good performance for hash cracking, especially if you're looking at R4 & R5 GPUs. The R5 from that first laptop you linked to would be about 24x slower than a 290X.

Further, consumer laptops do not have the cooling capabilities to handle compute workloads. In these small consumer laptops the GPU and CPU share a common heatpipe and are cooled with the chassis fan. They really can't handle much load or much heat, and regularly cracking on such a laptop will ensure its untimely demise.

IF you're intent on using a laptop for hash cracking, you'd probably want to look at a high-end gaming laptop or desktop replacement notebook that has multiple dedicated GPU fans. Seems like that would be way outside of your budget though based on the laptops you've linked to here.

Personally I just bought a Clevo P650se with a GTX 970M that I intend to use for occasional hash cracking. It has a discrete mobile GPU with a dedicated cooling solution (three heatpipes into two fans). Benchmarks show that it runs 60C under stress tests, so I'm hoping it will run around 70C for hash cracking. Performance should be pretty good for a mobile chipset as well, back-of-napkin math shows it should only be about 40% slower than a 290X.
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#4
Thank you both! greatly appreciated responses.

I've read them carefully and will take them on consideration to then perhaps buy a laptop for general use and dedicated newer gpus than mines for my desktop (I already use two 9800GTX).

Regards,
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#5
You also can choose laptop with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M (only GM107 chip). I been surprise then try it for hashcat ~48kH/s WPA/WPA2 (only 4 times slower 290X)
Full benchmark in attach.
I think two 9800GTX is slower by one GTX 860M, because new Maxwell architecture is real hash killer!


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#6
Thanks! I found this 840M, I think it's worth the price:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/huc/view.html?i...DJ3YNC%2C1
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#7
About a year ago I explored the possibility of a DIY external GPU setup. I had an ATI HD 5770, a 1000 watt PSU and a 7 year old Dell laptop all collecting dust and thought it would be a fun little project.

Long story short it was extremely easy to setup and performance was the same as having the card in a desktop. All I needed was a ExpressCard Bus to PCIe-x1 cable (part# PE4L-EC060A), install the GPU drivers (my case the AMD drivers) and had hashcat up and running in no time.

I did have reliability issues where the driver would crash on certain hash types forcing a restart of the laptop. Will have to fire it up again to see if reliability has improved with newer drivers and hashcat but for the most part it worked really good.


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#8
I mentioned above that I had just bought a Sager NP8651 (Clevo P650se). Finally got around to getting it all set up and run some benchmarks. This thing did not disappoint! Hands-down best laptop I've ever owned.

Benchmarks confirm that GTX 970M is about the same speed as a GTX 960, or about half the speed of a GTX 980. The cooling solution is incredibly well designed, it never broke 61C during benchmarking!

[Image: 970m_1.png]

[Image: 970m_2.png]

Full benchmarks:

Code:
cudaHashcat v1.33 starting in benchmark-mode...

Device #1: GeForce GTX 970M, 3072MB, 1038Mhz, 10MCU

Hashtype: MD4
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 12013.8 MH/s

Hashtype: MD5
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  5773.6 MH/s

Hashtype: SHA1
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1839.3 MH/s

Hashtype: SHA256
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   717.9 MH/s

Hashtype: SHA384
Workload: 256 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   232.2 MH/s

Hashtype: SHA512
Workload: 256 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   227.4 MH/s

Hashtype: SHA-3(Keccak)
Workload: 128 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   173.0 MH/s

Hashtype: RipeMD160
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1214.9 MH/s

Hashtype: Whirlpool
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 90456.2 kH/s

Hashtype: GOST R 34.11-94
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 67609.7 kH/s

Hashtype: SAP CODVN B (BCODE)
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   465.7 MH/s

Hashtype: SAP CODVN F/G (PASSCODE)
Workload: 1024 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   237.4 MH/s

Hashtype: SAP CODVN H (PWDSALTEDHASH) iSSHA-1
Workload: 1024 loops, 16 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1223.0 kH/s

Hashtype: Lotus Notes/Domino 5
Workload: 256 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 59856.2 kH/s

Hashtype: Lotus Notes/Domino 6
Workload: 256 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 19133.8 kH/s

Hashtype: Lotus Notes/Domino 8
Workload: 5000 loops, 64 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   155.9 kH/s

Hashtype: SHA-1(Base64), nsldap, Netscape LDAP SHA
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1827.1 MH/s

Hashtype: SSHA-1(Base64), nsldaps, Netscape LDAP SSHA
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1814.7 MH/s

Hashtype: descrypt, DES(Unix), Traditional DES
Workload: 128 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 49927.3 kH/s

Hashtype: md5crypt, MD5(Unix), FreeBSD MD5, Cisco-IOS MD5
Workload: 1000 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  2340.1 kH/s

Hashtype: sha256crypt, SHA256(Unix)
Workload: 5000 loops, 4 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    72814 H/s

Hashtype: sha512crypt, SHA512(Unix)
Workload: 5000 loops, 8 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    37289 H/s

Hashtype: bcrypt, Blowfish(OpenBSD)
Workload: 32 loops, 2 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:     3185 H/s

Hashtype: LM
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   736.1 MH/s

Hashtype: Oracle 11g/12c
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1825.5 MH/s

Hashtype: NTLM
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 11718.7 MH/s

Hashtype: DCC, mscash
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  3224.8 MH/s

Hashtype: NetNTLMv1-VANILLA / NetNTLMv1+ESS
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  4785.5 MH/s

Hashtype: NetNTLMv2
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   375.9 MH/s

Hashtype: Kerberos 5 AS-REQ Pre-Auth etype 23
Workload: 256 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 57479.0 kH/s

Hashtype: EPiServer 6.x < v4
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1307.2 MH/s

Hashtype: EPiServer 6.x > v4
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   659.8 MH/s

Hashtype: MSSQL(2000)
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1846.3 MH/s

Hashtype: MSSQL(2005)
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1847.6 MH/s

Hashtype: MSSQL(2012)
Workload: 256 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   227.7 MH/s

Hashtype: MySQL323
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 11966.3 MH/s

Hashtype: MySQL4.1/MySQL5
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   847.3 MH/s

Hashtype: Oracle 7-10g
Workload: 512 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   210.6 MH/s

Hashtype: Sybase ASE
Workload: 512 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 81958.7 kH/s

Hashtype: Oracle 11g/12c
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1811.6 MH/s

Hashtype: OSX v10.4, v10.5, v10.6
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1306.2 MH/s

Hashtype: OSX v10.7
Workload: 128 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   224.4 MH/s

Hashtype: OSX v10.8 / v10.9
Workload: 35000 loops, 2 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:     2866 H/s

Hashtype: Android PIN
Workload: 1024 loops, 16 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1382.5 kH/s

Hashtype: Android FDE <= 4.3
Workload: 2000 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   193.6 kH/s

Hashtype: scrypt
Workload: 1 loops, 64 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    63173 H/s

Hashtype: Cisco-PIX MD5
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  3630.5 MH/s

Hashtype: Cisco-ASA MD5
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  3809.4 MH/s

Hashtype: Cisco-IOS SHA256
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   718.3 MH/s

Hashtype: Cisco $8$
Workload: 20000 loops, 8 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    16099 H/s

Hashtype: Cisco $9$
Workload: 1 loops, 4 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:     3345 H/s

Hashtype: Juniper IVE
Workload: 1000 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  2319.9 kH/s

Hashtype: Citrix NetScaler
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  1655.7 MH/s

Hashtype: DNSSEC (NSEC3)
Workload: 512 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   792.2 MH/s

Hashtype: WPA/WPA2
Workload: 4096 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    95047 H/s

Hashtype: IKE-PSK MD5
Workload: 512 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   401.7 MH/s

Hashtype: IKE-PSK SHA1
Workload: 512 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   140.5 MH/s

Hashtype: Password Safe v2
Workload: 1000 loops, 16 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    54337 H/s

Hashtype: Password Safe v3
Workload: 2048 loops, 16 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   307.6 kH/s

Hashtype: 1Password, agilekeychain
Workload: 1000 loops, 64 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   762.8 kH/s

Hashtype: 1Password, cloudkeychain
Workload: 40000 loops, 2 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:     2477 H/s

Hashtype: AIX {ssha1}
Workload: 64 loops, 128 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:  9396.5 kH/s

Hashtype: TrueCrypt 5.0+ PBKDF2-HMAC-RipeMD160 + AES
Workload: 2000 loops, 64 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   283.7 kH/s

Hashtype: TrueCrypt 5.0+ PBKDF2-HMAC-SHA512 + AES
Workload: 1000 loops, 16 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    98502 H/s

Hashtype: TrueCrypt 5.0+ PBKDF2-HMAC-Whirlpool + AES
Workload: 1000 loops, 8 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    10178 H/s

Hashtype: TrueCrypt 5.0+ PBKDF2-HMAC-RipeMD160 + AES + boot-mode
Workload: 1000 loops, 64 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   556.5 kH/s

Hashtype: Office 2007
Workload: 50000 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    32238 H/s

Hashtype: Office 2010
Workload: 100000 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    16149 H/s

Hashtype: Office 2013
Workload: 100000 loops, 4 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:     1631 H/s

Hashtype: MS Office <= 2003 MD5 + RC4, oldoffice$0, oldoffice$1
Workload: 1024 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 55661.6 kH/s

Hashtype: MS Office <= 2003 SHA1 + RC4, oldoffice$3, oldoffice$4
Workload: 1024 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.: 75473.2 kH/s

Hashtype: PDF 1.1 - 1.3 (Acrobat 2 - 4)
Workload: 1024 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:        0 H/s

Hashtype: PDF 1.1 - 1.3 (Acrobat 2 - 4) + collider-mode #1
Workload: 1024 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:        0 H/s

Hashtype: PDF 1.1 - 1.3 (Acrobat 2 - 4) + collider-mode #2
Workload: 1024 loops, 32 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   907.9 MH/s

Hashtype: PDF 1.4 - 1.6 (Acrobat 5 - 8)
Workload: 70 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:    33562 H/s

Hashtype: PDF 1.7 Level 3 (Acrobat 9)
Workload: 1024 loops, 256 accel

Speed.GPU.#1.:   718.4 MH/s
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