08-31-2014, 05:15 PM
Long time reader, 1st time poster.
So I was doing some WPA speed testing as I finally got Linux working on my new laptop. The reason I'm a long time reader and only now posting is because I've always been able to work things out myself. Taking time to research is better than being spoon-fed in my opinion. Even if the research will take up lots of my time, I'll still at least be learning something new.
To clarify, I don't need SL3 support. I would never buy a phone that I couldn't do what I wanted with. I'm mainly looking for more information. So please don't kill (ban) the cat for curiosity or personal opinion lol.
As I understand it based on the little available:
• Manufacturers dreamt up yet another way to shit on the user and made Simlock 3. Something apparently harder for the user reclaim their freedom and break than previous methods.
• Then someone, somewhere would have found GPU accelerated brute forcing to be a viable method of breaking this atrocity.
• Then oclHashcat had it implemented.
• Then, it seems, it got very heated. Apparently there was an influx of noobs. Along with an exploitation of those noobs by someone who passed oclHashcat off as their own for money.
• Along with that unlocking services started popping up. People began to set up dedicated SL3 cracking servers. Presumably servers with a fair amount of GPU's for parallel cracking. Obviously because the GPU's from then could take up to 9 days to crack SL3. (I looked at ATI GPU's from around 2011 on http://golubev.com/gpuest.htm) And again, they charged money for this.
• Things escalated with a torrent of hatred, immaturity and flaming on the forums. And at about the same time, some versions oclHashcat's timebomb were cracked allowing them to be used after the author wanted those versions discontinued. Which better suited those running the dedicated cracking servers as it would obviously allow them to keep the software instead of being forced to upgrade.
However, those running these servers still had to pay for the use of oclHashcat as many were ignorant to the software they were running. This, along with the huge influx of noobs and the cracking of the timebombs apparently enraged atom. So he dropped support for Simlock 3 in future versions. Starting a heated flame war on the thread where he announced it (http://hashcat.net/forum/thread-1887.html).
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I've never withheld my opinion for fear of reprisal before and I'm not about to start now. I just hope this will be seen as a valid, harmless, opinion. And not needlessly expunged because it conflicts with someone else's opinion or because the topic is simply disliked. No one need read any of this thread if they don’t want to.
Based on the information so far. This entire situation is just awful. Manufacturers really have fucked over the end user once again. It was OK though. Those who wanted to have the freedom to use their phone wherever they damned well felt like it had a method of doing so. Assuming they had decent hardware and could read. Even if it took a month to crack many would still prefer that to forking out cash just to have their operator tell them "Yes, you can now leave our evil grasp and use your phone where you like". Personally, even if it took a year and was 10 times more expensive in electricity alone. I myself would still do it if a manufacturer subjected me to SL3! But for many, it was obviously far cheaper.
There seems to be a lot of defence around the dropping of SL3. I can only presume, and hope, that this is only because there is such a disdain for noobs here. However, it's a terrible move. All it does is play right into the hands of arseholes who subvert the freedom of those poorer than they are. The best thing would of course be for Sim locking and all the rest of that shite like DRM to die a horrible and decisive death. But that wont happen.
When researching what to say. I was unable to find an alternative to hashcat for SL3 unlocking. Admittedly because there was so many links wanting me to buy an unlocking service. But still. If I had a hard time then what chance does someone less tech-savvy than me have? That one option that could have been there, is now mostly gone. To let a disdain for noobs and the actions of a few greedy fuckers grant a free pass to the strangle of mobile users freedoms is a terrible, terrible action. I don't need SL3 cracking. But unfortunately, as long as there is greedy corporations, many do. So if the move was to try and stop greed in general. It has horribly backfired. If it was more against greed from those selling oclHashcat exclusively, you have only slowed them down. But at the expense of allowing the far more subversive and widespread greed of those who impose SL3 to run rampant.
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Anyway. Any further information would be greatly appreciated.
And I strongly encourage nitpicking. As there seems to be little information on this subject. Grammar Nazis are welcome too lol
Last but certainly not least. A huge shout out to atom and all who help in the development of all hashcats! By far my favourite hash crackers!
So I was doing some WPA speed testing as I finally got Linux working on my new laptop. The reason I'm a long time reader and only now posting is because I've always been able to work things out myself. Taking time to research is better than being spoon-fed in my opinion. Even if the research will take up lots of my time, I'll still at least be learning something new.
To clarify, I don't need SL3 support. I would never buy a phone that I couldn't do what I wanted with. I'm mainly looking for more information. So please don't kill (ban) the cat for curiosity or personal opinion lol.
As I understand it based on the little available:
• Manufacturers dreamt up yet another way to shit on the user and made Simlock 3. Something apparently harder for the user reclaim their freedom and break than previous methods.
• Then someone, somewhere would have found GPU accelerated brute forcing to be a viable method of breaking this atrocity.
• Then oclHashcat had it implemented.
• Then, it seems, it got very heated. Apparently there was an influx of noobs. Along with an exploitation of those noobs by someone who passed oclHashcat off as their own for money.
• Along with that unlocking services started popping up. People began to set up dedicated SL3 cracking servers. Presumably servers with a fair amount of GPU's for parallel cracking. Obviously because the GPU's from then could take up to 9 days to crack SL3. (I looked at ATI GPU's from around 2011 on http://golubev.com/gpuest.htm) And again, they charged money for this.
• Things escalated with a torrent of hatred, immaturity and flaming on the forums. And at about the same time, some versions oclHashcat's timebomb were cracked allowing them to be used after the author wanted those versions discontinued. Which better suited those running the dedicated cracking servers as it would obviously allow them to keep the software instead of being forced to upgrade.
However, those running these servers still had to pay for the use of oclHashcat as many were ignorant to the software they were running. This, along with the huge influx of noobs and the cracking of the timebombs apparently enraged atom. So he dropped support for Simlock 3 in future versions. Starting a heated flame war on the thread where he announced it (http://hashcat.net/forum/thread-1887.html).
---
I've never withheld my opinion for fear of reprisal before and I'm not about to start now. I just hope this will be seen as a valid, harmless, opinion. And not needlessly expunged because it conflicts with someone else's opinion or because the topic is simply disliked. No one need read any of this thread if they don’t want to.
Based on the information so far. This entire situation is just awful. Manufacturers really have fucked over the end user once again. It was OK though. Those who wanted to have the freedom to use their phone wherever they damned well felt like it had a method of doing so. Assuming they had decent hardware and could read. Even if it took a month to crack many would still prefer that to forking out cash just to have their operator tell them "Yes, you can now leave our evil grasp and use your phone where you like". Personally, even if it took a year and was 10 times more expensive in electricity alone. I myself would still do it if a manufacturer subjected me to SL3! But for many, it was obviously far cheaper.
There seems to be a lot of defence around the dropping of SL3. I can only presume, and hope, that this is only because there is such a disdain for noobs here. However, it's a terrible move. All it does is play right into the hands of arseholes who subvert the freedom of those poorer than they are. The best thing would of course be for Sim locking and all the rest of that shite like DRM to die a horrible and decisive death. But that wont happen.
When researching what to say. I was unable to find an alternative to hashcat for SL3 unlocking. Admittedly because there was so many links wanting me to buy an unlocking service. But still. If I had a hard time then what chance does someone less tech-savvy than me have? That one option that could have been there, is now mostly gone. To let a disdain for noobs and the actions of a few greedy fuckers grant a free pass to the strangle of mobile users freedoms is a terrible, terrible action. I don't need SL3 cracking. But unfortunately, as long as there is greedy corporations, many do. So if the move was to try and stop greed in general. It has horribly backfired. If it was more against greed from those selling oclHashcat exclusively, you have only slowed them down. But at the expense of allowing the far more subversive and widespread greed of those who impose SL3 to run rampant.
---
Anyway. Any further information would be greatly appreciated.
And I strongly encourage nitpicking. As there seems to be little information on this subject. Grammar Nazis are welcome too lol
Last but certainly not least. A huge shout out to atom and all who help in the development of all hashcats! By far my favourite hash crackers!
